Sunday, May 3, 2015

it's personal

If you have a problem with religion...perhaps you should try having a personal relationship with Christ.  It is well worth the effort.


Sam Finn said...

Amen. Jesus is always willing.

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
(John 15:13)

Larry G said...

who says that those who don't care for religion can't have a relationship with Christ?

where did that idea come from?

the thing is - you'd never know because those folks typically don't feel the need to "witness" to others about their own choices and beliefs nor convince others of being "saved".

The GOD I know does not restrict religion to just one flavor or threaten hell if you don't subscribe to one religion's concept of mandatory beliefs.

All people are welcome ... if they come in peace.. and respect others regardless of their cultures and beliefs.

I don't let words in a book - any book - convince me otherwise.

Live and let live - ... care about others as humans not practitioners of religions you disagree with and we kill a lot less innocent kids in this world whom GOD surely loves them no matter what religion their parents are.

Be guided by what God himself would do - not what one who claims to know what he would do.

too much hate over who has the "right" God...

where have I gone wrong on this?

Sam Finn said...

"The Lord is ... not willing that any should perish ..."
(2 Peter 3:9)

"... God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
(Romans 5:8)

Jesus said:

"Behold, I stand at the door and knock:
If any man hear my voice and open the door,
I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."
(Revelation 3:20)

Margery Bills said...

A.F. your words make sense to me.

Margery Bills said...

Also Larry.

Margery Bills said...

Human kindness and goodness know no religion.

Margery Bills said...

Human kindness and goodness know no religion.

Steve said...

On 60 Minutes tonight they did a story on the fairly recent situation where 3 Israeli kids were kidnapped, shot and killed by unknown Palestinians. In response, Israelis kidnapped a 16 year old Palestinian boy and burned him alive. Palestinians responded by firing rockets. Israelis responded with targeted missile strikes on Palestinians.

When all the bodies were counted, it was 3 dead Israeli kids (the kidnapped ones that precipitated it) and 500+ dead Palestinian kids.

Gotta love that good ol' religion, don't ya?

Sam Finn said...

"Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven."
(Matthew 18:21-22)

rondeb said...

Amen -

Margery Bills said...

The world is so intertwined. Last week the new hygenist skipped work. The new, handsome young Syrian dentist said he would clean my teeth. He was so supportive and here after his studies while he so misses his family in Syria where my AF jet pilot neighbor is busy carrying out orders in Syria and sometimes flies over my house. I never asked his religion. Everything is so messed up. I have DNA in Syria. I never go anywhere anymore. You knowJesus and Mohammed both spoke the Moab language.nI have ancient ancestry there too. The moans went to Spain (Granada), the Spanish took them to Ireland, etc.

pamit said...

John please read Larry G's comment. He eloquently describes why "a personal relationship with Christ" is not the only way to be a spiritual, peaceful person. Tom Ehrich said "We make God too small when we declare that only people like us can know God."

John Wells said...

Satan's greatest lie...being a spiritual, peaceful person is enough.

Larry G said...

not according the GOD I know. he does not say you have to believe in one particular religion.

My God would never say that, I'm sorry if yours does.

those who say there is only one true religion and it's the one they believe in ..and I have to say that whole line of thinking in my view just seems to be a mean-spirited ignorance in my view.

My GOD is not that way. Sorry.

Sam Finn said...

"... It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again,
who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us." (Romans 8:34)

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all ..." (1 Timothy 2:5-6)

Larry G said...

In the religion of Islam, belief in Allah is the single most important tenet. The Muslim name for God is "Allah," which is simply Arabic for "the (al) God (Ilah)." Muslims believe that Muhammad was Allah's chief servant and messenger.

Muslims believe that Allah is the all-powerful Creator of a perfect, ordered universe. He is transcendent and not a part of his creation, and is most often referred to in terms and with names that emphasize his majesty and superiority. Among the 99 Beautiful Names of God (Asma al-Husna) in the Quran are: the Creator, the Fashioner, the Life-Giver, the Provider, the Opener, the Bestower, the Prevailer, the Reckoner, and the Recorder.

Although the God of Islam has revealed his will through the prophets, his actual nature remains ultimately unknowable. According to one Islamic scholar, Allah's will "is all we have, and we have it in perfection in the Quran. But Islam does not equate the Quran with the nature or essence of God. It is the Word of God, the Commandment of God, the Will of God. But God does not reveal Himself to anyone." {2} In the words of another writer, "only adjectival descriptions are attributed to the divine being, and these merely as they bear on the revelation of God's will for man. The rest remains mysterious." {3}

Larry G said...

Religious beliefs are important in Buddhism, but its important doctrines aren't necessarily the same as those of other world religions. For example, because Buddhism isn't monotheistic, it doesn't have doctrines about God like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam do. Nevertheless, beliefs are still central to the Buddhist worldview. The beliefs that are emphasized in the Buddhist religion mostly concern human nature and ultimate reality. These concepts are of the highest priority to adherents.

The Buddha himself was called the "Enlightened One." After he became enlightened, he taught that the way to eliminate suffering begins with understanding the true nature of the world.

However, the Buddha considered knowledge important only insofar as it remains practical. He rejected speculation about such matters as God, the nature of the universe, and the afterlife, urging his followers to focus instead on the Four Noble Truths by which they can free themselves from suffering.

Larry G said...

Judaism is one of the oldest religions in the world. Their sacred text, the Hebrew Bible, teaches several doctrines - such as those about God, the Messiah, human beings, and the universe - making beliefs very important to Jews. Judaism has no official creed, however.

Judaism shares some beliefs with other world religions, like monotheism with Christianity and Islam, but in other respects there are sharp differences between the faiths. (Comparison Chart: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam on one massive chart.)

It is important to understand that the term "Jewish" can be used to describe a race and a culture, rather than a religion, so some who identify themselves as Jewish may have little interest in the beliefs of Judaism.

Larry G said...

Unitarian Universalism has no set beliefs, and that is its defining characteristic. According to a UUA pamphlet:

With its historical roots in the Jewish and Christian traditions, Unitarian Universalism is a liberal religion -- that is, a religion that keeps an open mind to the religious questions people have struggled with in all times and places. We believe that personal experience, conscience and reason should be the final authorities in religion, and that in the end religious authority lies not in a book or person or institution, but in ourselves. We are a "non-creedal" religion: we do not ask anyone to subscribe to a creed. 5
Unitarian Universalists may therefore identify with Christianity, Buddhism, humanism, atheism, or any tradition that is meaningful to them. Unitarian Universalists commonly draw their beliefs from more than one religious or philosophical tradition.

Several recent surveys of Unitarian Universalists have illustrated the diversity among members as well as some general trends. In 1997, the UUA conducted a nationwide survey of 8,100 of its members. One question asked members to choose only one label that best described their beliefs; the answers were as follows:

humanist (46%)
earth/nature centered (19%)
theist (13%)
other (13%)
Christian (9.5%)
mystic, Buddhist, Jewish, Hindu and Muslim in ever-smaller percentages 6
In 2001, a regional survey of UU members in the Midwest was conducted by Ohio University. This survey allowed respondents to choose more than one label for themselves. The researcher noted that "the typical respondent felt the need to circle three or four terms to describe his or her theological views." The results of this survey were:

humanist (54%)
agnostic (33%)
earth-centered (31%)
atheist (18%)
Buddhist (16.5%)
pagan (13.1%)
Christian (13.1%) 7
This great diversity within one congregation is perhaps eased by the fact that Unitarian Universalism tends to emphasize the importance of action over belief:

J said...

I don't have a problem with religion, I have two problems with many people who practice religion.

I don't care if you believe whatever you want based on faith, with no factual basis whatsoever.

Problem 1: When you try to make your faith-based beliefs into a law that you want ME to follow.

Problem 2: When you indoctrinate innocent children into blindly accepting YOUR faith-based beliefs.

pamit said...

Wow Larry G, thanks for the concise write-ups of some of the world's great religions. The sad thing about John's view is that he could learn more about Christianity by studying and respecting these other faiths.

I lean Buddhist these days, but spent some time as a Unitarian and prior to that, a Baptist. The author Karen Armstrong is one of my faves for her books on comparative religion. Just another pawn of Satan I reckon :-)

Larry G said...

It is sad. I can never get past the idea that everyone else on earth is going to hell because they have not been "saved" by the "right" religion and we know this because God told us.


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Sam Finn said...

God bless you John for sharing the Gospel.